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Published: March 1, 2009
ALLAN SCHWARTZMAN: A real collector buys beyond the capacity of the house. MARY HOEVELER: But the reality is that there is a specific environment in which these works of art have to make sense. I have a client who is a Minimalist collector and really wants a Richard Serra prop piece. But he has toddlers and a dog running around, so he can’t do that right now. STEFANO BASILICO: I have clients whose collecting is more adventurous than their house allows. They realize they have to build a new house. TONY FREUND: As part of your advisory services, have you ever collaborated with the architect to make sure the art would have the right home? ABIGAIL ASHER: Often you work with an architect from the very beginning, to make sure there are the right walls, lighting and everything else. SARAH DOUGLAS: Are private museums a big part of what you do? ALLAN SCHWARTZMAN: That’s half my clientele. A project I worked on for years was with Marieluise Hessel, who is the patron behind the Center for Curatorial Studies at Bard College. She engaged me when she decided to create a permanent museum building for her collection. I have a project in Brazil now with the collector Bernardo Paz, a museum that’s in its infant stages of being open to the public. SARAH DOUGLAS: How about inexperienced collectors — what are the challenges of working with someone just starting out? ABIGAIL ASHER: With someone who has never bought before, who has never looked, it’s very different from editing or reeducating. ALLAN SCHWARTZMAN: I don’t work with beginners. The way I work is about figuring out what the priorities are, not coming to the client until I’ve found the right work for them to acquire. MARY HOEVELER: Working with new collectors is harder because they are so impressionable. There are a lot of false starts. ABIGAIL ASHER: It’s much more of an education process with a new collector. MARY HOEVELER: I have also had new collectors who are so decisive and have such a clear vision of what they want that it’s been an absolute pleasure. But I’ve had whole years of no buying at all, just education. ALLAN SCHWARTZMAN: It takes a lot of getting to know people to begin to understand what their priorities are. These are usually things they have not articulated for themselves. SARAH DOUGLAS: Have there been collectors you refused to work with? MARY HOEVELER: I had to fire a client once because he violated the rules of engagement that we had established. Of course, you don’t actually fire a client. You say, "I don’t think I can offer you the kind of service you are looking for, and you are going to be better served by somebody else. We’re not a good match." ALLAN SCHWARTZMAN: I was approached several years ago by a rather established collector about working with him. Although he was a member of several substantial museum boards, he was known to be problematic in certain ways. So I went to a dealer whose discretion I trust and asked him what he thought. He said, "You can’t bring him up. He can only bring you down." Those words resonate in my head whenever I consider working with someone new. THE NEW REALITY SARAH DOUGLAS: How are your clients reacting to what’s happening in the art market now? ALLAN SCHWARTZMAN: Virtually all my clients are collecting art now. The critical issue for them is confidence that a price is an appropriate value. In some instances this does mean adjusting prices. In other instances, it’s indicating why prices aren’t being adjusted. MARY HOEVELER: While my clients are waiting for a clear signal from the market on secondary-market material, they are still quite active. Everyone seems to be full speed ahead on the primary market. They recognize that it’s a great time to buy art. SARAH DOUGLAS: Are you talking about established artists or emerging artists? MARY HOEVELER: Emerging and solid midcareer.
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